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Podcast series launched which explores uncomfortable truths around race

Leeds Beckett University academics have launched a podcast series exploring uncomfortable truths around race as they educate listeners about how racism operates across a range of areas. Talking Race was co-created by Dr Daniel Kilvington and Professor Vini Lander who hope to inspire positive change by offering an honest, informed discussion around race. 

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They plan to achieve this by highlighting how racism manifests itself across different institutions from literature and education, to sport, the internet and social media. The podcasts are funded and led by the Centre for Race Education and Decoloniality in the Carnegie School of Education at LBU. 

In the first podcast, Professor Kehinde Andrews talks about the savagery of Christopher Columbus, grassroots Black movements, the limitations of labels such as BAME and how capitalism is founded on racism. Permi Jhooti, a pioneer of women’s football, and Anwar Uddin, a retired footballer who played for Barnet and Dagenham & Redbridge, also featured as guests to talk about their lived experiences of racism episodes. 

Professor Lander, Director of the Centre for Race, Education and Decoloniality, said: 

“The podcasts have been designed to educate and inform people about racism and the lived experiences of racism in their everyday lives. For example, in the race and education podcast, local Assistant Headteacher, Kauser Jan shares the story of how she was marginalised at school and how she covered herself with talcum powder and went to sleep at night in the hope that she would wake up white the next morning.   

Daniel Kebede, Vice President of the National Education Union speaks about his experiences of racism at school in the year 2000 when a teacher said to him, "we're not in the jungle now”. Through these personal and professional stories about racism we hope to illuminate its detrimental effect on individuals of colour but also to show how systemic racism exists within the children's publishing industry.  In the podcast on race and education we show how systemic racism maintains a predominantly white teaching workforce, how there are very few teachers of colour who are senior leaders in schools; how Black children are three times more likely to be excluded.”

Dr Kilvington, Course Director in the School of Cultural Studies & Humanities at LBU, said: 

“The Black Lives Matter movement has forced people to take note, stand up and listen to the global problems caused by 'race'. Vini and I, with the aid of our interviewees and guest presenters, want to add to this important conversation.  We can't be not-racist any longer, we have to be anti-racist. We have to acknowledge these issues and fully understand how racism systemically operates. By including experts, activists and those with lived experiences of racism, we are hoping to inspire and educate listeners who are able to make positive changes in the challenge against racism.

At Leeds Beckett University, our curriculum enables students to examine oppression, decoloniality, and injustice and learn how the past informs and shapes the present. This new podcast series is not only a vital resource for students learning about 'race', ethnicity and racism at University, but it's also a useful for a wider audience.”

The podcast was highlighted by the Yorkshire Post in July, and the article can be read here:

You can listen to the podcasts via the following links:


Series 2 will be released in February 2021


Professor Vini Lander

Director Centre for Race, Education and Decoloniality / Carnegie School Of Education
Vini Lander is Professor of Race and Education and Director of the Centre for Race, Education and Decoloniality in the Carnegie School of Education.